real world EVs review

[kjclow]

If you're buying a new car and you're worried about the resale value, why buy it.
If you're looking for a used car and it's gone down in value, you got a deal.
If you're buying a car and intending on keeping it 'til the wheels fall off, the used value is a moot point.

With the exception of the dieselgate buyback on our golf, we've been averaging about 15 years per car. Resale doesn't matter at that point.

 

[oilhammer]

You've got to have some serious gray hair (or NO hair) to draw an "average" of 15 years for a car.

 

[noob_tl]

You've got to have some serious gray hair (or NO hair) to draw an "average" of 15 years for a car.

That's about my average too, and between me and my wife N=11. Plenty of gray hair here.
Three of my children sold their first cars after owning them for only about 10 years...

 

[gearheadgrrrl]

Haven't sold a car since the 80s, other than the '13 TDI in the buyback a week after I bought a ;15 TDI. Still got a running '03 TDI around, given that I live far from public transit or rentals and my small town don't have a problem with old cars, it's more important to have a backup that $$$.

 

[El Dobro]

Unless some idiot runs into it and it's depreciated to the point it's totalled.

You have two choices, either throw up your hands and say "oh, well" or you can sue the other driver for lost value, if you can prove it.

 

[ZippyNH]

You have two choices, either throw up your hands and say "oh, well" or you can sue the other driver for lost value, if you can prove it.

Some State prohibit this.....so it might not even be an option. Outside of having a special clause in an insurance policy (collector car insurance often has loss of value or replacement car beyond "bluebook" value coverage as an option).
Bigger issues is is the older electric car even supported by the OEM...
Replacement cycles are getting shorter...
And even 2015 cars are getting harder to get parts...
Anything older than 8 years, especially low volume cars can be a huge problem getting parts ..
It's really a HUGE problem for non mainstream cars ..
A hybrid Toyota Camry, etc...you will never have a problem... aftermarket and salvage market is common for parts....
But some low volume hybrids...or electric...good luck.
Hyundai drivers are going 3+ months waiting for parts for IN PRODUCTION Electric CARS...
Niche electric cars/hybrids that are lower volume that aren't directly based on a popular model are a future nightmare for a buyer....

 

[El Dobro]

Nowadays, parts availability is also a problem for mainstream cars.

 

[kjclow]

You've got to have some serious gray hair (or NO hair) to draw an "average" of 15 years for a car.

Gray for me

 

[El Dobro]

NEVI is back.
Judge orders Trump admin to restore electric vehicle funds to 14 states | Courthouse News Service

 

[gulfcoastguy]

America's Federal EV Charger Funding Isn't Dead After All

The Trump administration is now allowing the NEVI program—$5 billion in EV charger funding—to keep flowing to states.

insideevs.com

But states will need to reapply. The good news is that they will be able to reapply using non interstate highways and with more flexible spacing. But the smart states will just reissue their existing plans and commit the money quickly.

 

[El Dobro]

Starting small.

 

[vwxyzero]

About frigging time!

America's Federal EV Charger Funding Isn't Dead After All

The Trump administration is now allowing the NEVI program—$5 billion in EV charger funding—to keep flowing to states.

insideevs.com

But states will need to reapply. The good news is that they will be able to reapply using non interstate highways and with more flexible spacing. But the smart states will just reissue their existing plans and commit the money quickly.

 

[El Dobro]

Walmart reveals plans for game-changing addition to store parking lots: 'We're talking about thousands of locations'

 

[kjclow]

It's always been said "if you can't find it at walmart, then you don't need it"

 

[gearheadgrrrl]

Walmart reveals plans for game-changing addition to store parking lots: 'We're talking about thousands of locations'

Waste of $$$- HyVee a quarter mile away has a dozen seldom used TSLA chargers!

 

[El Dobro]

Waste of $$$- HyVee a quarter mile away has a dozen seldom used TSLA chargers!

Walmart not too far from where I food shop keeps busy.
Walmart Supercenter | East Brunswick, NJ | EV Station

 

[gearheadgrrrl]

That's in NYC metro where high population density makes EVs viable for some use cases. Nearest Walmart to me is 20 miles away Within that Walmart's service area, which is a 20-30 mile radius there's 50,000 people and barely 100 EVs, and most of them are plug in hybrids. There's about 15 high speed chargers in that radius which is obviously overkill- If EVs were really useful those chargers wouldn't be so lonely.

 

[El Dobro]

My guess is that the charging station companies saw the complaints on this website about lack of infrastructure and figured they'd get a head start on the inevitable.

 

[gearheadgrrrl]

More likely they saw a profit opportunity in the subsidies for chargers and took advantage of it- I wouldn't be surprised if they make a profit even if the chargers are never used.

 

[P2B]

My guess is that the charging station companies saw the complaints on this website about lack of infrastructure and figured they'd get a head start on the inevitable.

Our influence knows no bounds! What should we fix next?

 

[kjclow]

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Our influence knows no bounds! What should we fix next?

not the right site for that question....

 

[El Dobro]

More likely they saw a profit opportunity in the subsidies for chargers and took advantage of it- I wouldn't be surprised if they make a profit even if the chargers are never used.

It's not that easy.

NEVI Summary.pdf

 

[gearheadgrrrl]

Being on a city council I've already looked at the grants and they don't work for us, as intended. Having an uncooperative utility don't help either. But if your company is among the "chosen", it's pretty easy- 80% federal share means you just find another grant to get you over 100% and the rest is profit. Or pad the price until it's profitable...

 

[El Dobro]

 

[El Dobro]

 

[x1800MODMY360x]

I wish he would have did all the good, bad, and the ugly on EV batteries.

Typically posting both sides of the argument instead of just the only good sides on the EV and I would be ok with it.

 

[El Dobro]

I wish he would have did all the good, bad, and the ugly on EV batteries.

Typically posting both sides of the argument instead of just the only good sides on the EV and I would be ok with it.

There's plenty of posters on here that have been doing that. As the title says, he debunking the arguments.

 

[El Dobro]

 

[gearheadgrrrl]

EV "Evangelists", you're wasting your time here...

We're not anti EV here, in fact some of us have tried them. Like many of us, I've looked at EVs every time I made a new vehicle purchase for the last decade but found none that met my needs. With the federal subsidies ending I've shopped EVs again the last couple months. I honestly found none that met my needs for a vehicle like my Golf 7 TDI- Decent performance, cargo capacity, range, and operating costs. Even with the $7500 subsidy I found none that could replace my TDI, all were too expensive, slow, and many were too heavy for my lift to jack them up for maintainence. The only car that came close was the Bolt, and it's been discontinued with a replacement due long after the subsidies go away.

So don't mean to limit your opportunities for creative writing, but it's not helping.

 

[turbobrick240]

EV "Evangelists", you're wasting your time here...

We're not anti EV here, in fact some of us have tried them. Like many of us, I've looked at EVs every time I made a new vehicle purchase for the last decade but found none that met my needs. With the federal subsidies ending I've shopped EVs again the last couple months. I honestly found none that met my needs for a vehicle like my Golf 7 TDI- Decent performance, cargo capacity, range, and operating costs. Even with the $7500 subsidy I found none that could replace my TDI, all were too expensive, slow, and many were too heavy for my lift to jack them up for maintainence. The only car that came close was the Bolt, and it's been discontinued with a replacement due long after the subsidies go away.

So don't mean to limit your opportunities for creative writing, but it's not helping.

Clearly nobody is going to convince you that an EV is a sensible transport option for your somewhat unique situation. A good argument could also be made that you're wasting your time here. But that wouldn't be particularly helpful either.